When I read Rebecca Holden’s article about how she has become ‘one of the herd’ at the dairy farm she looks after, I was mesmerised and knew I wanted to bring her and her work to listeners of @ancestralkitchenpodcast. . Our chat touched me; I was left in awe of the daily life of @hafodcheese. I learnt much about the incredible sensitivity of the cows, how Rebecca communicates with them and what they’ve taught her. She showed me how it’s *all* interconnected – the landscape, the cows, the husbandry, the team, the milkings…they all create the beautiful raw cheese produced onsite (which I’m really hoping to try this summer!). . We also talked about another thing super-exciting to me: the heritage black oats that the farm is including in its rotation as part of the @thegaiafoundation revival project. . If you’re subscribed, the episode is in your feed. If not, find us on your podcast app (@farmandhearth and I are at Ancestral Kitchen Podcast) or you can stream/download from my site (link is in my profile)